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After the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, abortions in the United States actually went up, in part because of a novel legal strategy that pitted blue states against red states.

Pam Belluck, who covers health and science for The Times, discusses that strategy and explains how proceedings against a New York doctor could take it apart.

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Pam Belluck, a health and science reporter at The New York Times.

Abortion drugs like Mifepristone have been used to access abortions in states where it is illegal.Evelyn Hockstein/Reuters

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